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EPISODE 213: SharRon Jamison

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Amanda Testa: Hello, and welcome to the Find Your Feminine Fire podcast. I am your host, Amanda Testa. I am a sex, love, and relationship coach, and in this podcast, my guests and I talk sex, love, and relationships, and everything that lights you up from the inside out. Welcome!

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the podcast. If you ever feel like you are struggling, perhaps, to accept all the different parts of you or, really, how to move past the old narratives or things that you might have heard so you can experience more joy and pleasure in your life, then you are gonna love this episode. I have a very amazing guest, SharRon Jamison, who is just such a delight. She's been on the podcast before. She's a life strategist, an author, a minister, an entrepreneur, and a corporate leader so she manages a lot, as well as a mom, and she is really committed to helping you be who you were born to be and not settle for what society has taught and told you to be.

0:01:04

So I am so glad that you're here, SharRon. Thank you so much for coming back.

SharRon Jamison: I am so grateful to be here with you, and just thank you so much for allowing me to come back in to share with you and your listeners. So I celebrate you, and thank you. 

Amanda Testa: Thank you! Well, I know something that you were just saying -- a couple of things -- spoke to me deeply. Number one, talking about how, especially after all that we've been going through collectively in the past few years, and just when you have the opportunity to slow down, actually realizing how tired you really are. You mentioned you just went on a trip, and so, tell me more about that. I would love to hear 'cause I think so many people can relate to that.

SharRon Jamison: Yeah, you know, I went on a trip because I knew I was weary, but I didn’t know how weary I was. I was tired in my bones. I was tired in my spirit because I had gone through so much grief with loss around COVID. 

0:02:05

I mean, not just physical loss of people (which was really painful), but physical loss of normalcy, physical loss of feeling that I knew what I was called to do. There was a lot of loss, and I think with grief, there's something that we say, is that sometimes only in death do you learn how to live, and there was so much death that it made me tired, that I think I learned how to breathe and to live fully, and I started compartmentalizing myself in ways just to survive, and I saw a lot of that, not only in myself, but also in many of my clients, that they started breaking off pieces of themselves just to survive, and some of them were barely existing, and so, I went away, got some clarity, and I had to understand a couple of things. 

0:03:01

I call it the four T's. I had to identify what was my truth now based on what we had gone through with COVID, based on the racial reckoning, based on as I get closer to the 60. What's my truth for this season in this stage of my life? That was really difficult, and I'm not sure I know yet, but I'm on that journey to understand what my truth is for now. 

Then the second thing I had to ask myself is do I trust myself with my truth? I think that I was hiding under all of the busy-ness, and I am now saying if I am being called to do something different and I want to let go of those old identities, do I trust myself, at almost 60 years old, to reimagine, to recalibrate, to redefine myself, and really what does that mean, and so, I am leaning into that. 

0:04:03

Honestly, I don't know. I want to trust myself 'cause I have evidence that I can. I have a history of trusting myself, but now, since there's been so much change and chaos, I'm trying to learn how to trust that I can do my truth and live my truth without apology. The two other things kind of go together. I'm trying to ask myself: can I take valued inspired action and, here's the other piece, can I also take my time so that I make healthy choices because now I'm in the second period of my life, and I don’t have time to rebound like I did in my 30s and 40s. Since I'm older, I feel this bigger commitment to being wiser, and so, those are the four things I am really grappling with and wrestling with so that I can not only move myself forward, but also provide some guidance for some of the people who depend on me in church, at work, and all the clients that trust me to be on this journey with them.

0:05:16

Amanda Testa: Yes.

SharRon Jamison: So those are four big things for me.

Amanda Testa: Those are such beautiful questions to ponder and I think, as you mentioned earlier, as we reach these new milestones in life, these different decades, there's always kind of a -- I don’t know, there are all of those questions that come up as you move into a different decade and especially when you've spent, maybe, the first part of your life caring for others or really burning the candle at both ends and all the things. It shifts, and so, it can be hard, like you say. It's like how do we trust who we want to be?

SharRon Jamison: Yeah, and something that you mentioned is the milestones. I am trying to make sure that the milestones don’t make me stop believing in miracles.

Amanda Testa: Mm. Mm-hmm.

0:06:03

SharRon Jamison: That is really critical because in my 20s and 30s, I was open to miracles. I was open to doing my part and then allowing the universe to meet me at my place of inadequacy or insufficiency and do what I could not do. That is hard as you get older because then you seen so much, you have lived so much, you have endured so much, and so, my goal is to make sure I don’t lose my capacity to hope for miracles, to embody miracles, to expect miracles. That's what happens, I think, sometimes as we get older. We stop expecting blessings and miracles and greatness and goodness, and so, I'm really trying to make sure that I don’t lose that as I age, that I don’t lose my wonder.

Amanda Testa: Ah, I love that so much. I'm wondering what are some ways that you do that? What are some ways that you lead that space and stay committed to wonder?

0:07:07

SharRon Jamison: Yeah, what a great question! I try to stay connected to wonder through a couple of things. One, nature. What I see -- for example, when I was on vacation, to look at the ocean and to sit there and see the vastness of the ocean, the waves, and knowing all the creatures that live in the ocean and how they have been there for centuries, it lets you know that miracles are still happening. So nature's really helpful. I also see wonder in community with the conversations. I see the wonder of healing. I see the wonder of being witnessed for all of the gifts that I may be overlooking in myself. I see the wonder of kind words. I see the wonder of humanity, generosity, to give and to forgive. I also am getting in touch with wonder as I work out and seeing that my almost-60-year-old body can still play basketball, can still run, can still lift weights.

Amanda Testa: Yes!

0:08:10

SharRon Jamison: And so, sometimes the wonder if looking in the mirror and saying, "Wow! I am a miracle!" I find God's miracles, the universe's miracles, in a whole variety of ways.

The last one is prayer, and prayer to me is not just praying on your knees. Prayer is walking, prayer is listening to music, prayer is dance, prayer is journaling. Sometimes prayer is crying. So I allow myself to experience all the different forms of prayer, and that lets me get back in touch with the miraculous and the wonder of who God is and who I am through God because I believe that God is not up there; God is in me, through me, and with me, and I try to make sure I sit in that and lean into that.

0:09:00

Amanda Testa: I love that so much. That kind of brings me something that you mentioned earlier just about how we can kind of reconcile all these different parts of us because sometimes it can be easy to compartmentalize, like you say. Sometimes it's kind of like you have to do it, and sometimes when you have the opportunity to look at all these different pieces and say okay, well, all these parts of me are divine and worthy of love, so how can I learn to be more accepting to these different parts of me. Tell me a little bit more about what your experience is with that.

SharRon Jamison: Yeah, and what I'm seeing in, not only my life, but also in the lives of people who give me access to journey with them is that people are really getting in touch with the different parts of themselves. They are realizing that they are social beings, and they want and need connection (healthy connection and holistic connection), that they are spiritual beings, that they crave and they yearn even when they don’t know it, to connect with a higher power (however they name that higher power), that they yearn to believe in something bigger than themselves. 

0:10:04

They realize that they also are sexual beings, that their body is healed by touch, that their body is healed by orgasms. Orgasms are not only physical, but they're emotional and they're spiritual, and that orgasms are what give us energy. It stimulates us. Eroticism is powerful. Eroticism is energy, and people are trying to get into that part of being sexual but also sensual. 

Sensual, I think, sometimes gets mixed up with sexual. Sensual that means that their ability to understand and appreciate and embody pleasure and joy and touch in all of the ways that we hear and see and feel and touch and taste, that we are sensual beings. All of those parts of us can bring joy, can bring pleasure, can bring peace, can bring wisdom. 

0:11:07

People never think that sexual intimacy can bring wisdom, but it brings wisdom, and so, I find that we all are, in some ways, leaning into the social, but we try to abandon or minimize the sexual or the spiritual or whatever that is because of religion, because of culture, because of social conditioning, and when we deny those very important parts of ourselves, we deny ourselves access to wisdom, we deny ourselves access to creativity, we deny ourselves access to our fullness. Those parts are really, really important for all of us to lean into them, and it's not easy. I struggle also. It's not easy, but it's important. 

Amanda Testa: Yeah, and I'm wondering if you might speak a little bit more to that. You mentioned it feels easy sometimes to lean into being the social being and these different parts versus being a sexual being. I'm wondering what are some strategies or some tips that you have for people who want to lean in, but it does feel hard.

0:12:13

SharRon Jamison: Yeah.

Amanda Testa: How can we merge that a little more?

SharRon Jamison: Oh, so that's a good question. You’ve put me on the spot so I'm gonna go there! Let's go there. One of the ways that we start to appreciate the sexual parts of us is to understand that the ways that we were taught religion were to control us, to control our sexuality. We were taught religion from a patriarchal perspective, and what does patriarchy want to do? Control women, control pleasure, control anything that makes us happy. [Laughs] That's gonna take a whole bunch of unlearning and relearning, so that's the first thing. We have to intellectualize. We have to understand that.

Secondly, we have to start to love our body. In my generation, we were taught not to touch our bodies. We were taught crazy things like if you masturbate, you'll go blind, right? I mean, just crazy stuff!

Amanda Testa: Yeah.

0:13:08

SharRon Jamison: And so, women and women-identifying folk have to reclaim their bodies and touch the parts of their body so that they can know it. It's like how can you know something that you won't investigate or look at? And so, we have to look at ourselves naked, and we have to look at our vaginas or whatever we have. We have to look at our genitalia. We have to look at our bodies, and we have to understand that our sexual organs are not the only organs that are erotic. We can touch, we can feel our toes and all the stuff. I even hate the word "fetish," because fetish sometimes invokes shame. So that's the physical component of it. 

0:14:00

I think the emotion of it is to give yourself permission to know that you're worthy of it and that you're not gonna knock the bottom out of hell 'cause hell is not a place that you go to, it's a place that you live when you deny yourself. So some of us are living in hell right now, right? Also, I think we have to find ways and find people we can ask questions because sometimes I find -- and I'm interested in what you see with your clients -- they're too embarrassed to ask questions, so sometimes we don’t know because we don’t know that we don’t know, and then we are shamed to know, and so, we sit and suffer. I have many of my clients who are almost 60 years old, and they’ve never had an orgasm. I think orgasms are healing, and as I get older, I'm understanding the value more. Isn't that interesting?

After menopause, I realized that they make me come alive, and I think that we have to talk more about orgasms and the benefits of sexuality in religious circles because, to me, sexuality is spiritual, and so, I think we have to have to talk about those things. 

0:15:12

And so, those are the four parts that people are trying to reconcile, and sometimes we're better at it than other times, but we're all on this journey to accept ourselves and accept the parts of ourselves that were demonized and villainized by people way before our time, you know, centuries before, and so, we have to challenge those assumptions with the truth.

Amanda Testa: Yeah, and you mentioned you have certain clients that are in their 60s and have never had an orgasm, and that can be true in lots of areas. You get to a certain point in life, and you look back, and you're like, well, I was just a bystander. One of the things my mom says that makes me laugh is she's like, "I feel like I didn’t even experience my life. I just watched it fly by." I think, too, what can come up along with all of that is when you embrace all of these parts and when you start to step into a different way of being or who you're called to be, there can also be a lot of grief that comes up in that, right? 

0:16:05

Maybe a grief of what you wish was different or all of the things. I'm curious what you might have to offer around grief.

SharRon Jamison: Yeah, oh, what a great question 'cause there is a lot of grief and regret. It's a lot, and sometimes it's when you're alone, it's when you start to play back the tape (for lack of a better word), and you see so many missed opportunities, you realize that was time you can never get back, and you will grieve and grieve deeply. Now, here's the challenge. It's really important that we don’t get stuck in that grief, 'cause I've seen that a lot. People grieve so deeply the first 40 years that they already resigned the next 40 years to stop living, so we don’t want to miss out on our future because of our past. That's why I think it's important that people hear that that's the stuff that you can't do alone.

Amanda Testa: Yes, yes, yes.

0:17:02

SharRon Jamison: Grief is something that you do alone, but it's also something that you do in community, and that's what I really love about different cultures because their rituals. There are ceremonies that help us go through that process, but also, I want people to know, like I said before, to take action but also take your time. My grandmother used to say, "Go, but don’t hurry," and I think sometimes we try to leapfrog over the grief, and we don’t process the grief, and so, we still don’t live because we're still looking at our lives like a movie and not settling in our lives and being totally present, but the grief is real. I have felt it. Even when I went on vacation, I sat back and I was grieving some missed opportunities because I didn’t have the courage at that time. I was grieving some relationships that I stayed in too long that did not deserve my presence, but one of the things I love that the late Dr. Maya Angelou used to say is, "You’ve got to forgive yourself because you are judging who you used to be based on the knowledge you have now." 

0:18:10

That's what we do now, you know? I see the 50-year-old woman who is criticizing who they were at 40, but I'm thinking you didn’t have that knowledge at 40. I think that sometimes it's hard to remember that by ourselves, that we have insight, that we only got through the journey. So, yes, don’t despise the journey because if you despise the journey, you won't appreciate or be able to extract and see wisdom gained and use that wisdom to galvanize you to what you desire most.

There's a saying in African American culture: "You're not done until you're dead." And so, as long as I know that I'm still breathing, that maybe the wisdom that you gained, you can really collapse time because now you have wisdom, and now you have courage, and now you don’t care what people think. So it took you ten years to do. It could take you two years now because, again, as you get older, your children are in college. 

0:19:11

You don’t have the same financial baggage or obligations. So now is sometimes the best time. Look at Forbes. How many women over 50 are starting businesses and becoming millionaires? So I want to encourage people listening that, as we say you're not done until you're dead, to not grieve too long.

Amanda Testa: Yeah.

SharRon Jamison: Grieve, but not too long. It's the not too long that kind of depends on the person, depends on what you lost.

Amanda Testa: I do love what you mention there about the community aspect and finding healing in community and just knowing that you're not in it alone. I think you can also use that wisdom that you gained as an adult to go back to those younger parts of you. I like the practice of sitting with those younger parts as your loving adult self and as you would your child or someone else who's younger and doesn’t know what they don’t know yet, right? We must just have a lot of empathy for those parts of us.

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SharRon Jamison: Yeah, and I love what you said about that. I know that it's so important, like you mentioned, to go back and to remind our younger selves what we endured and what we’ve overcome because I know, many times, when I think about a lot of the changes and challenges in my life, I didn’t even know that I was navigating at such a high level when I was ten, you know? Here I was in the early ‘70s in integrated schools as the only Black woman, and I was in a very hostile situation, and I was kicking butt academically. I'm thinking wow, you did that thing! And so, now with greater wisdom, we can sit back and be like wow, I'm glad I didn’t know I was in trouble. I'm glad I didn’t buy into the toxicity. I'm glad that, somehow, even though I was ignored, I still believed in myself. Sometimes we can go back to the eight-year-old and gather strength, and that can serve as evidence of what we were capable of doing. Sometimes I think it's good to go back and love that person and thank that person for carrying me through to another decade. I think that's really critical what you said. I'm so glad you brought that up.

0:21:19

Amanda Testa: I love how you just said collecting the evidence. 

SharRon Jamison: Yeah.

Amanda Testa: Tell me more about collecting the evidence that backs up the things that you want to do or the things that you might be.

SharRon Jamison: Yes! 

Amanda Testa: You know, when you're talking about trusting yourself, too, how you gather that evidence to know that you can trust yourself even when it feels challenging.

SharRon Jamison: Yeah, one of the things that my father used to always say is -- when I told him I couldn’t do something he would say, "There's evidence. You have a lot of evidence in your life of being successful." And so, when I felt scared of speaking, he would go back and say, "Remember when you did the Easter scripture recital? Remember you did that?" I'm like, "Yeah." He said, "That was speaking." I'm like, "Oh, yeah!" "You remember when you were running that race, and you had never done a relay race before, and you won first place? That was a first time." 

0:22:13

And so, sometimes we have to go back and see evidence that this is not new because if we really think about our lives, what we're doing now, we have always done in different versions.

It's interesting when people ask me, "SharRon, are you surprised that you are a minister and a speaker?" I went back, and I'm thinking, you know, when I was four years old, I would line my dolls up, and I would preach to them, so I'm not really shocked, but I had to remember that because I think our lives, if we believe in a higher power, we are always being groomed from the womb. I believe we were groomed from the womb for greatness, and so, if we're paying attention, we are always being groomed by what catches our attention, by what we feel drawn to, by what we are gifted at, by what we are good at, and our gifts are showing up when we're two or three years old. 

0:23:09

Now, how do we know that, because they're being witnessed. There's the evidence again, right? They're being witnessed, and that's why it's important to have people in your life -- throughout my life, people were witnessing gifts that I was overlooking. They're like, "You know, SharRon, you're pretty good at that!" "You were good at that!" "Well, don’t do that, you're not really good at that," but however, we had witnesses and evidence. Witness helps you win. Being witnessed is like affirmation, confirmation. It is validation, and so, if we look at our lives, there's evidence that what I'm doing now -- if I go back, I see evidence when I was three or four years old. So I'm really not surprised when I get opportunities 'cause I'm thinking, gosh, that looks familiar. It might have been a chalkboard [Laughs] and some chalk, but I was still teaching. So I'm just teaching now.

0:24:03

So I think that if we look back on our lives, we have examples of our greatness when we were three and four years old if we were witnessed. Now, the problem is, if you never had people in your life to witness you or to validate you, then it might be harder 'cause, you know, a lot of people did not grow up being witnessed and celebrated and affirmed. It gets harder because, then, you don’t see your greatness until, maybe you're 20 and 30 years old, but they're signs. And so, if you have a person in your life that helps you see what you don’t see or illuminates things that you might say, "Oh, I'm kind of good at." "No, you're not good; you're masterful," I think that helps you. We never become our best selves by ourselves, and that's something we have to remember.

Amanda Testa: Yes. Oh, my goodness, and I think, too, even noticing the absence of community over COVID and how hard that was and is still to not be in those environments as much because, yes, you can be on Zoom, and, yes, there are amazing ways to connect, but you know there's nothing like when you're with your best friend, and you're together, and you're really lit up by one another, and, like you say, you mirror that amazingness that that person has back to them, right?

0:25:11

SharRon Jamison: Yeah, I think with COVID there was a lot of regression. Let me just say this. There was a lot of regression, but there was also some acceleration because those things coexist. We think that we're always one back, but sometimes, as we talked earlier, there's multiplication by division, and there's division by subtraction, right?

Amanda Testa: Yes.

SharRon Jamison: And so, sometimes I think there was some regression because there are parts of us maybe that we didn’t get to develop or get to practice -- or that atrophy, right? However, there were parts of ourselves that, if we were sitting still and paying attention, we were leaving COVID with an acceleration which is why we have clarity. Clarity brings acceleration. Reflection brings acceleration. 

0:26:00

Having deep conversations brings acceleration. Acceleration happens a lot of different places, and sometimes, acceleration comes because you realize what you don’t want to do anymore, so then you realize something that you want to do. There are many ways, and so, I think that we accept the regression. Sometimes I don’t think regression is always bad. I think sometimes we regress because we need to put it down, we need to sit it down, we need to release it. In that releasing, we see that our life really opens up.

Amanda Testa: Ah, I love that so much. I know you’ve been an author of many wonderful books. Your newest book is called Deciding to Soar 2: Unwrapping Your Purpose, and I think that kind of ties in. When you are finding your purpose again after all of this, maybe, that you felt disconnected or maybe now you're stepping into your post-menopause or whatever it is and you're like, "All right, now what? What do I want to do now? What will it be?" I love that you gave us some amazing new tools around kind of being aware of what you're being directed to, what's grabbing your attention, what you're gifted at, what you're good at, but I'm wondering if you could share a few tips around how you can go about finding your purpose if you're feeling disconnected from that right now.

0:27:25

SharRon Jamison: Sure. I really feel that finding our purpose requires us to tell the truth, and that's why I call it unwrapping because sometimes we have to unwrap all the lies that we have been taught and told about what we could be, what we should be, all this conditioning, and the truth is important because when we tell ourselves the truth about who we are and who we are not, we tell ourselves the truth about our desires. Our desires provide us great direction. We tell ourselves the truth about our gifts. Our gifts guide us to what we should be doing. We also tell the truth about what has our attention. Not saying what grabs our attention is what we should be doing, but, to me, if something grabs your attention, I think pay attention. 

0:28:14

Lean into that curiosity. Like, why is this grabbing me? What is this telling me? I always tell myself it's important to ask yourself what delights you, what fights you, what excites you, and what ignites you. Ignites you means what stirs you up, what stimulates you. What delights you means what makes you have fun, what gives you joy, what gives you pleasure. What excites you means what draws your curiosity and creativity. What fights you means, like, I am so pissed off; I am gonna fight for that. That can be justice, pet control, abortion rights, all those things fight me so I'm gonna fight back. If we think about what fights us, what ignites us, what excites us, what delights us, that will give us some pause to pay attention. I think sometimes in the busy-ness, things grab our attention, but we don’t know why.

Amanda Testa: Mm-hmm.

0:29:12

SharRon Jamison: That's why it's so important to lean into curiosity. Like, why is this on my nerves? Why does this excite me? Why am I thinking about this? Why am I dreaming about this?

Here's another thing: why am I jealous because someone has something that I want? Jealousy is powerful because jealousy is a sign that something is there, and I tell people (and I tell myself) don’t be shamed by jealousy, be curious about it. Inquire. Like, why am I mad at that woman? Why am I judging her? What is it about her essence that's drawing the green monster out of me? I think we lean into that -- so those are the things I think will help us start thinking about what's drawing your attention, but also start looking at what you're good at. 

0:30:06

In our society, we have not been taught to celebrate ourselves. I'm thinking about what you do effortlessly. What does everybody come to you to ask you for? What do you get applauded for? What do you know that you're just masterful at? There are some things I'm just masterful at, and if we just can accept it -- can we just accept it? There are some things I'm like I'm just good at it.

Amanda Testa: Yes!

SharRon Jamison: And I'm okay, you know? Some women will say, "SharRon, are you surprised that you're gonna be 57 and you look so good?" I'm like, "No, I should look this good 'cause I take care of myself." It's a way of saying that there are some things in my control, and I have agency, and one of the things we have agency over is accepting our gifts because you cannot maximize as something that you will not accept. How can you cultivate something that you won't claim? I claim fitness. I claim greatness. There are four things that I'm really good at, and there are ten things I really suck at, but I'm not trying to do the sucky things.

0:31:13

Amanda Testa: [Laughs] Right.

SharRon Jamison: Right? I'm not trying to do those things. I want to write, I want to teach, I want to speak, and for some reason, I'm wise, and I've always been since I was three or four years old. I don’t know how I know stuff, but I know stuff, so I lean into that, and it helps me be a good coach and a minister and a leader, but there are other things I just suck at! If you came to look at my house, you're thinking why are things unorganized and why do I only wear three or four colors of clothes? A whole bunch of details I can't do. I can think of details, but I can't coordinate details, but I stopped trying to explain those things away. I'm like, you know, I just suck at it, and I'm grateful for the gifts that I have because I believe, spiritually, there's a biblical principle that your gifts make room for you, and I think my gifts are gonna make room for me to generate wealth, to generate influence and affluence, to generate income, to generate a platform, and also, to generate my booty to do my calling. Your gifts always help you do your calling, and if I'm doing all that, I don’t care if I have a big house [Laughs] because your purpose makes you happy. 

0:32:27

Your purpose makes you fulfilled. It's not about money. Money is important but meaning is what really changes the trajectory of your life, and so, I'm all about fulfillment. If I follow fulfillment, finances will come, and I have evidence of that. That's really important.

Amanda Testa: Ah, so good. I just feel like I could keep talking to you. I'm wondering, too, is there any other concept or any other thought that you wanted to make sure that you shared or a question that you wished that I would have asked that I didn’t ask or anything else that you want to share before we close our time together?

0:33:08

SharRon Jamison: Well, I have to say you really asked me some really great questions, and I hope they were coherent because I was thinking out loud. I was thinking from my heart. One of the things I would say I want to end with is that it's so important for people to follow their own truth and not tradition. I think tradition has made us deny and devalue all the different parts of ourselves. I think tradition has made us follow policies and principles that were oppressive to certain cultures and certain identities and certain sexual orientations. I think that tradition has denied us peace and pleasure and joy, and I think if we are able to discern between the difference between truth and tradition and knowing that our truth will change as we change. The truth is never static. 

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Now, there are some things that are, I think, universal principles like freedom of liberation, right? You know what I'm saying? I think that as we get more knowledge, as we come more into ourselves, as we accept ourselves and trust ourselves, our truth will change based on our life experiences because the more you know, the more you realize that you don’t know, and once you follow those truths, whatever those few things are (they might be your values), you can lean into them and have more peace. I think that's really important. I'm realizing peace is the most important currency right now. Peace and health.

Amanda Testa: Yes. Ah, thank you. I'm wondering, too, where is the best way for people to connect with you and learn about how they can possibly work with you and find your books and all the good things?

SharRon Jamison: Thank you so much for letting me say that and add that. Everything is my name, SharRon Jamison, and that's S-H-A-R-R-O-N, and that's for all the social media, SharRon Jamison. 

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I have two programs coming up. One is just a summer program. It's called Rooted to Rise: Your Journey Back Home to Yourself, and it's all about some of the things that we're talking about now. Some of the things that I'm learning that I had to go on an eight-day vacation and sit by the water to get clarity on. It's a shorter program because I think the summer is a time where people want to relax. I think that the summer gives us time to do it at a slower pace so that we can go into the fall and prepare for another year, God willing, with more understanding of our truth and more understanding of trusting the truth. If people are interested in that, they can email me.

Then my program that I really love is I DARE TO BE ME. It's a six-month program. I probably won't do that until the end of the year because I know that six months is a long time, and I have to have a lot of energy, and I'm on my own journey. I love that because it talks about four critical principles to help us come to ourselves so we can dare in every aspect of our lives. Those are education, understanding who you are, activation, and how to get yourself going and keep yourself going. One is elevation. How do you lift and rise above all that you’ve been taught and told? How do you rise above public opinion and hater-ation (as we call it).

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Amanda Testa: [Laughs] That's a good word.

SharRon Jamison: How do you rise above that so you can do what you want to do. The last one is liberation because liberation is a practice, is a muscle that we have to practice daily. It's not just being liberated from people but sometimes liberated from our own internal demons that try to keep us small. 

So those are the things, and I love that program. That's a six-month program. Like I said, I probably won't do that until the end of the year. I just want to do something that's a shorter time period so that people can think, and then I'm going to have a three-month break, and then we will reconvene a couple of times after the three-month break with Rooted to Rise so people can really get the information and implement it in their lives. 

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Sometimes I think some programs are kind of like you're drinking from a fire hydrant, and then you can't implement anything 'cause you learned it too quickly. [Laughs] I don’t want to do that. I don’t want it to be consumption only. I want it to be, not informational, but transformational, and that's really important.

Amanda Testa: Mm, so good. Well, thank you so much, again, SharRon. I so appreciate you and all the gems that you’ve shared. Too, for the listeners, I would just invite you to take a moment and digest, and think what are some of the concepts that you really appreciated or that you want to act upon, perhaps, or some of those questions you want to deep dive around, and thank you all for listening.

I'll make sure to put where you can connect with SharRon in the show notes and thank you so much again for being here.

SharRon Jamison: Thank you so much, and I just wish you so much joy and pleasure and success in everything that you do. Thank you.

Amanda Testa: Same to you, and to all of you listening, we'll see you next week. 

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