Taking The Stigma Out Of Sex + Daring To Be Yourself With SharRon Jamison

Amanda Testa (00:02):

Hello, and welcome to the Find Your Feminine Fire podcast. I am your host, Amanda Testa. I am a sex love and relationship coach. And in this podcast, my guests and I talk sex love and relationships and everything that lights you up from the inside out. Welcome. Hello everyone. And welcome to the Find Your Feminine Fire podcast. I am so thrilled today with my guest SharRon Jamison, and she is just a powerhouse. She is a life coach, a speaker, an author of eight books. She's a mentor, a life strategist as well as a minister. And she really has such a wide perspective of ways she supports people and specifically women. And so I'm really looking forward to diving in today and we're going to be talking around all kinds of things, including how to de-stigmatize sex and things that can desensitize us to pleasure as we are growing up and all kinds of good stuff. So welcome so much, SharRonon. I'm so glad you're here.

SharRon Jamison (00:59):

I am so excited to be here with you today, and I am so excited about our conversation. So thank you so much for the opportunity.

Amanda Testa (01:09):

Yes, you're so welcome. And I'd love if you wouldn't mind just sharing a little bit more about you and a little of your journey. I know it's been, you know, you have so many amazing things that you've done in your life and things you've overcome. So I'd love to, if she's just to share a little bit with everyone to learn a bit more about you.

SharRon Jamison (01:24):

Sure. Thank you so much for that. Well, I, as you mentioned, I'm a life coach. I'm a mom, I'm a minister, I'm a corporate leader, a speaker, and I try to combine all the different parts of me to heal me, but also to work with other women because I find that in this society, we were taught and told to be something, but I believe we were created to be something else. And so I try to help people, really, shed all of the societal shoulds so that they can enjoy their life, enjoy their personhood, that they can experience pleasure, that they can really have a faith that they believe in and not just religiosity is that I really help women find out what's true for them based on who they are and based on who they are becoming so that they don't get locked in the cage of conformity or in this, what I call this sea of sameness or the status quo because the status quo is a place that we all go to die to die. And so I believe that even though the status quo is society's place it's not our divine place. And so I want women to live in a place that's divine for them and not in a place that society has prescribed for them. So that's really, really critical.

Amanda Testa (02:48):

Oh my gosh, that is powerful. The place that is divine for them. And I can so resonate with that sea of shoulds annd how, you know, all the shoulds we hear like, you gotta be this and you need to be, at least things I heard specifically were like, gotta be, you know, quiet and beautiful and you know, not speak up and eat last and all the random things that I learned coming along. So I can relate to that for sure.

SharRon Jamison (03:11):

Yeah. And there were so many messages. It's interesting. I was taught messages based on what it meant to be a girl, like you just said, girls do this girl. So do that where this girls or where that what I was taught because I was, I'm a black woman, black people do this. Black people don't do that. Black people go here, black people go there. And then I'm a preacher's kid. So church says this or says that church can go here, go there. And so I'm alive if it, if it was not my, it wasn't sexism, it was racism. Then it wasn't racism. It was traditionalism. So it was hard to carve out a piece of who I was in the midst of all that toxic programming that tried to keep me predictable and not purposeful, because I believe all our program me wants to keep us predictable because then predictable people are controllable people.

SharRon Jamison (04:06):

And so I felt like I was always being controlled by these invisible rules and these religious rules and these racial rules and these societal rules that really shrunk my voice. But it also socialzed me out of my guests and me out of my brilliance. So, you know, those rules, like you said, you know, as a woman and as a what it meant to be a Christian and an African American, I was so jacked up by the time I did not even know my, I didn't know the sound of my own voice. I did not know how to discern my own spirit. So I couldn't really understand if it was my intuition, speaking to me through the spirit or was the information to society. I, I, it took a while to be able to listen to the whisper of my soul. And that is the most dangerous thing for women not to have is not have a connection to our inner wisdom because you have no GPS system. And to me, it's God's protection system, your voice. And if I don't have my own GPS, I'm at the mercy of the media to tell me about me. That's the most dangerous thing you can happen for a woman.

Amanda Testa (05:20):

Hmm. You know, all, I just, Hmm. So much goodness here and such powerful words. And like, you know, one of the things that really stood out to me that you just said, you know, what is intuition is? What is information? How am I going to discern who I truly am? And I'm wondering, so what, you know, what were some of the things that helped you to start to kind of maybe peel away a little bit of those shoulds and all the, you know, conditioning and all the information?

SharRon Jamison (05:44):

The most important thing was pain. It was pain. And it was the pain because I, it was the pain of being othered. And after I learned that I was going to be on the margins of society because I wanted to follow my unconscious and not the crowd what helped me was to be able to endure ridicule. I know it, it was not some, you know, I have moment and was like, how can you learn to be your own best friend SharRon? How do you be comfortable being different? How do you understand that you're not an outcast. You are a person that has a divine assignment. You're not a pariah, you're a powerful person. And it was pain. It was, I had to learn how to deal with rejection and ridicule and resistance. And that is something that every woman needs to understand how to deal with people.

SharRon Jamison (06:46):

When people don't like you ridicule you. How do you deal with when people resist who you are and who you becoming and how you want to live your life and how to deal with gossip. That was very difficult. When people talk about you and as women, we are socialized to be people pleasers. And so it was very difficult for me to understand that I had a choice. I can follow my own heart or the herd. I can follow my own mind or the masses and the media. And every time I follow my own heart, it was pain. It was pain rejection is, is hurtful. And I think it's a lie when people say that rejection doesn't hurt. And it's also a lie. Amanda, when we hear sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me. That's a lie words hurt you.

SharRon Jamison (07:37):

In words, reverberate not only for days, but for decades. And so pain is what helped me learn to be myself. And it was through a lot of trial and error because I was never a person that fit anywhere. I was too progressive to be Christian. And I was too nerdy to be, you know, in the in group. And then I was to brown to be with the white kids. And I was too smart to be with the, with the, with the with the jocks. And I played basketball. I was too good, an athlete to be with a pretty girl. I never had a place. So I had to learn that my place was any place that I sat down. I had to make a place. And that took a lot of courage. It took a lot of self-awareness and it took a lot of spirituality because I had to be in touch with God, because sometimes that's all I had was I thought that's all I had was God, because people didn't like me, but it was the most amazing training ground to do this work now.

Amanda Testa (08:40):

Well, and I think when you said those words, you know, I just realized my place was wherever I sat down, would it, you know, that's huge to have that realization within yourself and really letting go of all those. The other thing too, I'm going to go back to what you said about the words that reverberate for not just a moment for decades and how, you know, just really honoring and celebrating your resilience to find that place where, you know, what I, belong where I'm sitting and I belong to myself and I belong to this world and God and all the things, and I'm going to claim that space and you know, so want to celebrate you there. And then also too, when you say, you know, the words that reverberate for decades, I think that kind of brings up one of the things that you had had mentioned around how, you know, a lot of the things that we hear coming along and growing up and in our conditioning and from the media and everywhere around that makes us desensitized to our pleasure. Or maybe even afraid of it. Cause often it's, you know, can seem something that's, you know, maybe always for others or maybe something that's dangerous or, but I'd love to hear you talk a little bit about more about that if you would. Yeah.

SharRon Jamison (09:46):

Yeah. It's interesting. When we talk about pleasure, there were like five things that I learned that were not good for women that we, it will make us Jezebel and damn us to hell, right. One was pleasure because sex was shameful. It was dirty. It was in. So to even say sex, you were demonized and villonized. And I learned that from the church, that pleasure was something that only men have. And th I used to think like, well, men can't have without us, unless they are gay, which is fine. So, but so to me that was crazy to condemn women for sex. When you need us to participate in the sexual act, that was one thing. Women should not have pleasure. The second thing I learned was that women should not have power and that we should have power only in relationship to a man and to speak out and to speak up and to speak.

SharRon Jamison (10:44):

Truth was not something that was acceptable for women that we will not be marriage material if we had power. So I was always taught on that for my family, because my mother didn't play that. But I was always taught by watching other women that power is something, not that you share, but that you give up. And I'm going to tell you I;m ok with sharing power, but I'm not going to relinquish my power. And then people used to spiritualize it. Well, if you live with your power, you more like God, did you find that that's not in a Bible? So we were taught to relinquish our power. That that would make us more heavenly. And more angelic no, no it will make you pitiful. That's what it make you. So we had to learn about that. The third thing about things that women shouldn't enjoy is profits. So I was taught that money was wrong.

SharRon Jamison (11:41):

Money was the root of all evil and women did not have money because we didn't know how to handle money. Just like we didn't know how to handle orgasms. Our orgasms and money were in the hands of men, in the hands of the man. The, and so I learned, I had to unlearn that money was dirty because I realized, no money will help you get to your destiny. It's not dirty. It's a tool to be used and magnified amplified for the common good. So I had to restructure that. So we, you know, we, women, we shouldn't have money. The fourth thing I heard that women should have our own personhood, that personhood meaning that how I should function in the world that I should, Oh, I should dress how I should show up large, how I should take up space. I was taught that your personhood was only validated and valued if, and man made your introduction.

SharRon Jamison (12:41):

No I can introduce myself. Um I understood that, that my personhood, it had to be based on men. I was taught. That was the fifth P, that My personality only could be important, or acceptable. If my personality was demure and quiet. And if I will consider and conform and comply, I, and I'm thinking that's not true. And, and because of that, I always had a different understanding of the Bible. For example, you know, even though I understood Jesus, I knew that there were three women who bank rolled Jesus, right. And it's true, Susanna and Joanna. So even though they were not listed as disciples, I know that they are part of the destiny of Jesus, the development of Jesus, they were they bankrolled Jesus. So I had a very different standing of the role of women. Now, the men didn't teach those scriptures, but I always knew that it was my responsibility to educate myself and never limit myself to the teachings of men or to say this to the teachers also of white people to teach me about black, my blackness.

SharRon Jamison (14:04):

So I knew that, you know, men, the patriarchal system and Us history system could never educate me to be the dominant force that I was created to be. And so we between pleasure profits, people, personhood personality. I just said, you know what, if I live according to those rules, I might as well just die because I didn't have anything. And I had to understand what that meant anyway. And it meant having a different understanding of spirituality, not, not religiosity, but spirituality, because everything that I wanted and everything that I felt was important demonized, villainized and dehumanized. So I felt that how I be neat if it meant that I had to live in shame and guilt, who wants to sign up for that. So I had to make some new rules so that there was space for me to exist. And that's why it's really, really important.

Amanda Testa (15:05):

Yes to those new rules and it's, you know, everything you mentioned there, just one of the things that I just want to loop back to you real quick, what you mentioned about the difference between religiosity and spirituality and really how, you know, taking that ownership of understanding. Like I got to educate myself because this world that we live in is not going to educate me and I'm not going to have white people telling me about my life and how I need to live in these, you know, this ciswhite, hetero patriarchal culture we live in. But, you know, and I think to me, and I, I'm curious to, to dive in a little bit more about the religious piece, cause I know I grew up around Southern Baptist religion and you know, I remember being in eighth grade in Sunday school and my Sunday school teacher told me if I held hands with a boy that I would be going to Hell.

Amanda Testa (15:48):

And I mean, those kind of words, you know, that really struck me deeply. And I was petrified of anything to do with that for the longest time. But I, and I feel like, I think having that awareness to educate more about, you know, spirituality and like learning, you know, the lessons of the scriptures that support you. And, but just around how that, that religious shame can really, really affect your sexuality as you age and all other aspects of your life. But you know that in particular, I hear from a lot of my clients, you know, there's a part of them that like even Now, if they're in a loving marriage, they still feel a lot of shame around that. So I was wondering if we could, if you wouldn't mind speaking to that a little more.

SharRon Jamison (16:24):

Yeah. You know, we must have attended the same church because I was taught that holding hands. We'll definitely send you to jail. I was taught that masturbating would make you blind, that you will lose your eyesight. If you masterbate. I was taught that being gay or lesbian, transgender or same gender loving in. Anyway, we'll send you to the pit of hell. I mean to the bottom of hell, and all of that is a lie. And I had to unlearn those lessons because it didn't make sense to me that sex in one hand, people said it was beautiful, but then in the same voice, it would send me to hell. It just didn't add up. So I believe that I had to all learn that sex was okay. That sex had to be consensual. That being love is love. And I don't care who you married. I don't care if you are same gender other gender.

SharRon Jamison (17:27):

It doesn't matter. I had to learn that sexual orientation was not the same as gender identification. I had to learn that I also had to learn that pleasure and orgasms spirituality was connected to our sensuality because when we are praying and when we have an orgasm, we are most open to the spirit. Now, a lot of ministers don't want to talk about that. But I talk about that when I, when I, before I marry couples, when I do premarital counseling, because if we get the sex wrong, or if the sex is full of shame, that shame, bleeds into every aspect of your life. So we talk about it. We talk openly about it. I'm part of the United church of Christ. We marry same-sex couples. We believe you love, who you love. I church lost 10,000 members because we are in Atlanta, Georgia, one of the first black UCC churches to accept same sex marriage.

SharRon Jamison (18:33):

We almost went bankrupt because we were willing to follow Jesus instead of the crowd because Jesus is the same as justice. Love is liberation. So how can I, you know, evangalize you and to hell in the same breath. It just doesn't make any sense. And so I'm open to people, loving who they love and loving how they love. And it was so funny that even though I grew up as a preacher's kid, my first marriage was to a Muslim and I lost everything. And I married a Muslim minister. I, what they call an Imam, because at that point of growing up, I started to understand that God was so God, that one religion could not contain God. So to me, marrying somebody who was Muslim was not something that would send me to hell, but my family did not come to the wedding.

SharRon Jamison (19:31):

So my whole, my father told the church from the pulpit not to attend my wedding and it, and I was a daddy's girl. And I really lost a deep connection with my family and was angry for about 20 years. That took a lot of forgiveness. I would say my anger in the grudge lasted longer than my marriage, but my ex-husband is still my best friend. Right. But I just want, I want people to understand that orgasms are beautiful. And it's some, I don't know about you, but some of my clients, they have never had orgasm and they've been married for 40 years. They have never touched their own body. They have never looked at their own body. And if our bodies are the temple of God, that's part of the temple. It's not dirty. It's not nasty. It's not yucky. It is, it is a place really of birth, birth of sensuality, birth of creativity, birth of children. So to me, I love for people to understand that, but I understand that we have to de-stigmatize sex and, and, and devillanize sex. I dunno, if devillinaize is a word, we take all of the negativity away so people can embrace it with both hands and their entire heart.

Amanda Testa (20:49):

And I think often there is kind of that grief. When you, when I work with women who maybe have been in a long-term relationship where they're, you know, older, and they are just kind of discovering pleasure in their body for the first time, and it's amazing to witness. And also, I think there is a grieving that happens to have all the years of not being connected to that.

SharRon Jamison (21:07):

Yeah. I think, I don't know about you. I find that sexuality is so connected to our creativity, because if I can open myself up and totally surrender to the sexual experience, I can surrender to God in a way that would make me more creative. There is a surrender that has to happen. And I find that women who have not allowed themselves to surrender, they don't have good sex, but they also don't have good friendships or good support, good support is about surrender. Wouldn't it be a better friend is about surrender is all about the sense of vulnerability. And if I can be vulnerable, I tell people this, if you can, if you can cry in church, you can cry in sex. If you can say Amen in church, you can say Amen in sex. It's the same, if you can yell JESUS, you can just,yell JESUS, we all have an orgasm.

SharRon Jamison (22:01):

Jesus its the same, it feels the same. It's the same joy, the same exuberance. It's the same benediction. It is the same connection to God. To me, I feel most sexual after I preach really opening up those spiritual portals that makes me able to receive sexual sex differently. I feel touched differently because I'm already open to the spirit because sex is spiritual first good sex is spiritual. First. It becomes, we, we, we just settle for physical sex. We settle for that, but settling never brings satisfaction. So that's really, really important for people to, to know. And I know people are going to say, is that Reverend SharRon saying that? Yes, Reverand SharRon saying that. And I think more ministers, especially more women ministers need to be honest about the power and the pleasure of sex. So women won't come to shame because people are leaving the church and leaving religion because we're not telling the truth. Not outside of religion. Sex is part of your religion because you are the temple. And so that's how I see it.

Amanda Testa (23:12):

That's so beautiful. And I, to agree it's that there is such a deep spiritual connection to sexuality because I mean, and you said it too, like, I love how, whatever you say in church, you can say when you're having an orgasm, but often people are like, Oh God, Oh God, because there is like this deeper connection to something bigger than you, when you can surrender that deeply. And that is a big thing. Like that surrender piece you mentioned is huge.

SharRon Jamison (23:35):

Yeah, it is so critical. And it's, it's like an opioid. I think, you know, I can always tell. And I know when you do relationship counseling too, I can, when I meet a couple when they're not having sex and when they're not talking, it's a difference. I can tell when they're talking, but they're not having sex. And I can tell what they're just having sex, but there, but it's just empty. So there's a certain connection that happens that I can tell that people not only connecting with their bodies, but there are connecting with their souls. And I don't know about you, but I can sense it. I can, I can feel the energy even via zoom. I can feel the energy I can tell. I can see tenderness and I can see the absence of tenderness and I can see vulnerability and I can see the absence of vulnerability. So I tell people your private pain always shows up in public ways. We don't realize it, but it does.

Amanda Testa (24:29):

And I think too, in my experience, I can tell such a difference when, you know, I always, my husband and I always had a great connection, but there, I remember doing this work, just realizing how much of an armor I still had and how much protection and how I wasn't surrendering and how I still like, just had so much control that I was not willing to let go of, but then allowing, and you can not, and these are learned skills. Are there things you can learn, but really learning how to kind of let that down and let him in more deeply and how, not only just emotionally, but physically and sexually, it just exponentially increased the amount of connection and love that we have for one another.

SharRon Jamison (25:08):

I think that is so critical. I find that there's a saying that free people, free people. And I find that sometimes the men come to the bedroom or to the sexual experience with their fears and we need, but we don't talk about that. We don't talk that about men have fears of inadequacy, fears of erectile dysfunction. There may be they're on a lot of medication that affects their ability to have erections. We don't talk about their own trauma with, with sex. We don't talk about the trauma of what happened in high school when they got it wrong, but they're still carrying some baggage that we're carrying. And I think sometimes we as women, if we don't stand in our power, stand in our vulnerability when we do, we can also free our mates. We can free our husbands or free. Our wives, whoever our mates are and allow them to share some of their same so that they don't have to deal with performance anxiety. Why that's a lot of pressure to know that I'm responsible for my orgasm and yours too. Who wants to carry that around?

SharRon Jamison (26:15):

What if I allow you to say, I, you know what, I'm going to take care of me, but how can I take care of you and take some of that pressure off of the man? I think we think I am learning that men are more vulnerable than we know they're more fragile than we know. And if we don't let them know that there are other ways that they can please us besides penetration, what happens when you're on heart medication or diabetics diabetes medication and your ED kicks in, you know, we go through menopause, they go through erectile dysfunction. How can we hold space for that? If we only tell them that sex is penetration in that all sex is when you make me have orgasm, I don't want that pressure. You know, you get yours, I'll help, I'll get mine, you can help. I mean, who wants that pressure to me? That's not true partnership.

Amanda Testa (27:08):

Yeah. And I, I love that because it is redefining what sex looks like. So it can encompass a lot more than what we think or what we've been taught. It's supposed to look like. And like you mentioned, really allowing that full spectrum of emotion to be there, allowing both partners, to be able to have the opportunity to surrender at times and to take the lead at times and not, not having it. You know, look how we, you know, I say that again, because so many people, you know, learn, there's not great sex ed out there. Let's be honest, it's really poor. And so a lot of people are learning from porn or just, you know, random things they find. And so really we never are taught how to have good relationships. We're never taught how to really use a pleasure based model for connecting and sexuality. So, yes,

SharRon Jamison (27:52):

I think the conversation is just to normalize the conversation. I desire. It's just like how we talk about the recipes to make a cake that we can talk about the recipes to have good sex. That's my desire. And so, you know, I talk to women, I talk about it. I'm like, what do you like? You know, what feels good to you? You know, you know, w you know, what, what turns you on what turns you off? How do you, you know, how you know, what toys and people are looking like, what, you know, and I just, I just act like I'm saying pass the salt because I have to normalize it. And I, I don't giggle and laugh. And I used to, because, because I was laughing cause they were laughing and now I just, I laugh about it. But I always tell them is I, I call my marriage counseling, that the Fs called finances, friendships, family, fucking, future,e fitness, fellowship, faith, and forgiveness. It's like 10 of them. And I had a whole class over the and I just say it like that. And people like. She said the F word!

SharRon Jamison (28:57):

I said, well, I needed another F. And I had to make sure that you're gonna remember the Fs right? If I want to say sexual intercourse, it would mess up my whole system. So I always called the, the 10 touchy topics, that derial relationships. And I talk about that. What are the top three finances? There's the F and we talk about it. That those two are connected because they're both about power. And so those are really ways for us to talk about it and normalize it and have fun about it. And I think when people can understand that these are our learned programming to take your power away, I tell them, go get your power back. It's your pleasure is your profits. It's your personality, go get your power back. Yes. I would love that. So, and reclaiming

Amanda Testa (29:42):

That power and all those ways than it is interesting how they're all so connected as you mentioned, and you might notice when you find more power in one or more freedom in one, then you'll that kind of dominoes across all of them, right?

SharRon Jamison (29:56):

It's an interesting, I don't know about your research, but, and this is just my anecdotal. Many of my entrepreneurs are more sex free. And I think that really goes with being an entrepreneur. You have to be a risk taker. You have to be a leader. You have to be a troubleshooter. You have to be able to defy convention and challenge authority, and challenge the status quo. Isn't that interesting that people who are leaders in and more adaptable to change more are aware of who they are. They have the best sex. There's something about owning your personhood and your pleasure, and also your profits that they will just weave together. So it's interesting when my entrepreneurs come in, I don't, I get other issues, but I don't get as many issues around sex. Now might have issues on how to share power that comes up because when you have two type A's, who's going to give.. That type a goes into the badroom.. Nice to hear people, we have amazing sex, we just do whatever we want to do. We give ourselves permission. So something is interesting that those things are tied together in some types of way.

Amanda Testa (31:07):

I see that often too, and, you know, confidence and visibility and all the things. And often without, when I work with women around sexuality, then all of a sudden they have these, this huge new confidence. And then if they are entrepreneurs or in the business space, They start seeing a lot more monetary success. And like, I see that all the time. Yeah. It's so interesting. But I think it is that is that key of having those same qualities and like really being creative and being focused on your goals and really in a desire based way, versus like, these are the things I need to do, but following like the GPS, right. Following that, those knowings.

SharRon Jamison (31:42):

Yeah. Yeah. It's I love it you call it knowings, because I believe our intuition is our inner witness. How can I witness to who I am? And when we can be our own witness to our own worthiness, we will not look outside of ourselves for something that we can give ourselves. You know, it's interesting. Sometimes that visibility piece is what I'm working out to own my worth, . Cause it's not, I don't come back whatever body you have, but to own your worth, it makes me feel more sexy because it makes me feel that how my body can look outside of illness, right. It's up to me, that is power. And so I just encourage women to tap into their power in so many ways, because we, none of us know the extent to our joy until we started walking toward it.

Amanda Testa (32:35):

I love that's the extent of our joy in being able walk towards it. That just gave me chills. And I said that, Oh, well, I feel like I could just keep talking with you forever. Sharron. I am just loving this conversation. And I will, you know, as we wrap up, I have obviously want you to share where everyone can connect with you. But also if there's perhaps a question that you really wish that I would have asked that I didn't ask, or maybe something you really want to make sure that all the listeners walk away with or any last words around this topic.

SharRon Jamison (33:03):

You have asked me such a wonderful questions. So I appreciate that. I would say for women to remember that it's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you are not. And if you are hated for being a woman who loves pleasure, who wants to amplify your visibility, if you hated for a person who is willing to redefine God, so God feels real to you. And if people hate you for that, sometimes there's a thing called good hate and let people walk away from you so that you can be who you are. If not, you will always be imprisoned by the perspectives of others. And the people who put you in prison will keep you there. But you always have the key to get out of the prison of the status quo and it's called choice. So I want women to honor their choice and then be okay when people don't like you, because if you like yourself and you love yourself, it really doesn't matter. Who does not agree with you. So that's what I would share.

Amanda Testa (34:15):

Thank you so much. Oh, well now where can everyone connect with you and learn more about you and work with you? If they'd like SharRon, what's the best way?

SharRon Jamison (34:24):

Well everything is my name, Instagram, Facebook, everything is my name. I have a book that will be out in a couple of days called deciding to soar, unwrapping your purpose. It's 70 chapters, but it's short chapters, but it's all about what I call bite-size wisdom in get our teeth in and apply to our lives because I'm like a bite-size wisdom type of chick, because I feel like sometimes we learn so much that it becomes heavy and you can learn so much. You implement nothing versus learning a little bit and doing a little bit. So that will be out. So please look for that. They can go to DecidingtoSoar.com or on Saturday or December the first and get that. I also have a, a program called I Dare To Be Me. It's a six month program. And we talk about things that other coaches don't talk about in one program.

SharRon Jamison (35:17):

We talk about race, we talk about how we were raised around gender. We talk about hetero gender norms that none of us really follow. We talk about the difference between sexual identity and gender identification, very different. So I want trans women to know you're welcome here. All women are welcome here. We talk about religion and redefining how you understand that you don't have to walk around feeling like a misfit in like your you're like you less human or less worthy. Then we talk about our strengths because sometimes we got to reclaim our strengths and we have to reclaim our talents because we buried our dream somewhere to fit. And then we talk about marriage and how to be in relationship with people. Because I think some of us have, we have marriage desires, but no relationship skills. We talk about how to be relationship with other women.

SharRon Jamison (36:10):

We can't do life alone. You know, success happens. It community never isolation. And it's a six-month period. And, and it used to be a program that was six weeks. It wasn't enough time. Then it was three months. It wasn't enough time now, six months. And I keep my groups very small because I want women to feel seen and heard and known. So it's Called I Dare To Be Me because I want to dare people to be who they say they are based on their own definitions. And then I can work with me on a VIP day. And then twice a year, I do relationship intensives. I'm doing less of that now. And all relationships are welcome. So same sex, opposite sex. If you found love, I'm happy for you find a good thing. And my, my goal is to give you some tools to keep whatever love you have together. So that's how they can work with me. And I look forward to it and I'll make sure to, to put all this information

Amanda Testa (37:07):

In the show notes. So you can find out how to connect with SharRon and learn more about working with her and just following her. And she's always posting amazing things on social media. So make sure That you follow her and Thank you too, for everyone for listening today. And thank you so much again for being here. Sharron, it's been such a pleasure.

SharRon Jamison (37:25):

I am so grateful to you. Thank you so much for letting me be on your platform and much success to you.

Amanda Testa (37:31):

Thank you. And we will talk to you all next week. Thank you so much for listening to the Fnd Your Feminine Fire podcast. This is your host, Amanda Testa. And if you have felt a calling while listening to this podcast to take this work to a deeper level, this is your golden invitation to invite you to reach out. You can contact me at www.amandatesta.com/activate , And we can have a heart to heart to discuss more about how this work can transform your life. You can also join us on Facebook in the group Fnd Your Feminine Fire Group. And if you've enjoyed this podcast, please share with your friends, go to iTunes and give me a five star rating and a raving review. So I can connect with other amazing listeners like yourself. Thank you so much for being a part of the community.